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I love how I've become completely addicted to Back to the Future fanfic, even though I'm not all that crazy about the movies. I also love how George/Marty is way more popular than you might think. There's even a fanlisting, for heaven's sake.

I need to just give in and buy the trilogy on DVD so that I don't have to rent the tapes at Movie Gallery anymore, as they are ancient and worn from being viewed hundreds of times.

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I also love how George/Marty is way more popular than you might think.

Is it? I'd be happier if it really was. I can think of two people besides me who have written George/Marty (that I've read, anyway). Oh, and there's one fic on ff.net that has George violently raping Marty. I'm not sure whether that one counts.

And, although I'm a member of that fanlisting, I'm still not sure whether it's for George/Marty in a romantic way or whether it's intended to be more innocent. *confused*

... well. I guess I've been in smaller fandoms...

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Gyah. No. That one doesn't count. A fic that's so generic you could change the names and put it in any fandom never counts.

And since that I seriously thought I'd be the only one to even consider George/Marty, that means that the following is at least four times larger than I'd assumed. *g*

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That one doesn't count.

Thank god. I read it and didn't know whether to laugh or cry. *much rubbing of head* Oy.

I seriously thought I'd be the only one to even consider George/Marty

I've heard that from quite a few people, really... which I love. :D It's like everyone was just hanging around waiting for someone else to do something. So cute. Though, man oh man, I never thought it'd get to be as big for me as it is (like, I've watched BttF an obscene amount of times now, and it wasn't for visual reference on the Delorean I was drawing, I can say that for sure). I wrote a little George/Marty blip because, what the hey, they're cute and it'll make people mad. I didn't expect so many people to become so enraged over it. I didn't even expect other people to like it. One of the best surprises I've ever gotten, I think. Though I am missing the self-righteous, angry, incoherent reviews ff.net used to supply me with. My favorite was the one that compared me to the Marquis de Sade. What happened to these people? Come back, I'm still perverted!

And, yeah, a fandom of four or so is far better than a fandom of one. I should quit my whining.

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My favorite was the one that compared me to the Marquis de Sade.

God, I hope not stylistically. The only historically famous author I've read who was worse was Horatio Alger.

I mentioned George/Marty to a friend ("Dude, I think I'm having an idea here") and she was all, "Noooo, you're perverting childhood nostalgia!" This from a fellow slasher who has long since grown used to my bizarre pairing love. So I would imagine that that, combined with the absolute shock of incest (ohdeargodnooooooo!), is what pisses people off. Well, they're missing out on a cute pairing, so, sucks to be them. =D

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God, I hope not stylistically.

I think it was meant to be a dig on the "pornographic" subject matter.

the absolute shock of incest

It is so funny to see who gets wigged out by incest and who doesn't. I had three roommates at the beginning of the year, all slashers. One loved the George and Marty idea, one was just sort of "eh, it's cute," and the third was "Oh my God, ewwwww!" (Needless to say, this girl and I did not get along terribly well...)

Then again, there are some people who don't like the idea that Simba and Nala are related and get 'married' in The Lion King. Well... um... nuh? They're lions. Hell, my rats are so inbred that they can barely see straight. It doesn't mean they aren't sweethearts.

I'm not sure what that was meant to accomplish, but anyway... yes, George/Marty is awfully cute. And I still don't know how little kisses are pornographic.

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I think it was meant to be a dig on the "pornographic" subject matter.

Eek. Yes, I know. But how bizarre is it that when de Sade is mentioned, the first thing I think is, "But dude, his writing sucks"? Even though I haven't written too much lately, once a writer, always a writer.

I'm not sure what that was meant to accomplish, but anyway... yes, George/Marty is awfully cute.

And such potential for confusion and angst and in-depth exploration of the sort of emotional impact that the movies completely ignored! It's sweet of the trilogy to try and assure us that Marty is going to be Just Fine, but come on. (I'll never not be bitter about being denied a one-way father/son reunion at the end of the third after the angst of the second, even if the reasons why it couldn't be done are blindingly obvious.) Even without us helpfully piling on additional weirdnesses with George, he'd still have some shit to deal with. It is, indeed, pretty heavy. (That fic with the watches theme that deals with that a little - is that yours? I am way, way too lazy to go to ff.net and check.) Regardless of whose it is, I like it precisely because it addresses that issue.

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Eek. Yes, I know.

Well... I figured you did. But it's more like she was dredging up a famously icky name and associating it with me as if that would prove some sort of point. My father had a student who once compared him to Jeffrey Dahmer because he gave him a B. It just struck me as the same sort of vague connection... which I think is so amusing.

Plus, I'm fairly sure she wouldn't have been able to expound on the style of de Sade if questioned... only the subject matter. Which certainly says something, if not something important.

And such potential for confusion and angst and in-depth exploration of the sort of emotional impact that the movies completely ignored!

Yes! Oh, when I heard about Eric Stoltz and how one of the reasons they tossed him was because he was playing the role "too seriously" ... oh my. Well, I cursed the age it was made in. Today, drama/comedies are trendy and edgy and coolish... they might have been persuaded to go for something more serious and less fantastic. Not in the mid-eighties, though.

Then again, I could be wrong.

I'll never not be bitter about being denied a one-way father/son reunion at the end of the third after the angst of the second, even if the reasons why it couldn't be done are blindingly obvious.

Oh, I know. It seems sort of awkward that he doesn't acknowledge the fact that his father is alive, particularly over how worked up he got at the grave (well, worked up for Marty, since Michael J. Fox doesn't tend to go above the casual angst). I have a fic idea swirling around about Marty actually going back and witnessing his father's death. (George was born on April 1st and died on March 15th... the ides of March. I just find the dates funny.) Unfortunately, one-quarter of the fandom wasn't too keen on the idea, so I've never toyed with it.

That fic with the watches... uh, "Remembering Things That Never Were"? Yeah, that one's mine. I guess I just can't swallow the little lie that George would not remember the weird boy who helped to hook him up with his wife, slash or no slash. :D

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It just struck me as the same sort of vague connection... which I think is so amusing.


Heh. That is pretty funny. Only someone who hasn't read de Sade could possibly come up with that comparison.


Yes! Oh, when I heard about Eric Stoltz and how one of the reasons they tossed him was because he was playing the role "too seriously" ... oh my.

Wait, what's all this? Oh, I have so much to learn about BttF lore! Sounds like we missed out, although I'm the kind of person who wants the inherent drama/angst played up in everything. Which is another reason why I like Willard, because that's the kind of movie it is.

Oh, I know. It seems sort of awkward that he doesn't acknowledge the fact that his father is alive, particularly over how worked up he got at the grave ...

Urgh. Totally. I threatened in my journal a little while back to write a brief scene about it, but I haven't been able to bring myself to rewatch the third movie yet. Was it really as awful as I remember it, or was it just a disappointment following two good flicks that might have been okay standing on its own? Either way, I knew we'd had it twenty minutes in when we first caught wind of the Love Interest. In terms of shark jumping, that's every bit as fatal as bringing on the cute new child.

Uh. Anyway. I'll probably rent it again soon, because I just rewatched the first two and I'm kind of compulsive about being complete. Said compulsiveness will not allow me to fast forward to the end, either. Dammit.

I keep having ideas for BttF drabbles; I should start writing them down. It's shameful how long I haven't ficced; at least drabbles would be something.

I guess I just can't swallow the little lie that George would not remember the weird boy who helped to hook him up with his wife, slash or no slash. :D


I'm pretending that, uhm, he does, but the changed rendered were too recent, cosmically speaking, for the memories to be quite sorted out in his head yet. And if we came back to the McFly home in a couple of weeks, he'd remember. Yes.

I'd even buy that he thinks his mind is playing tricks on him - after all, how could his son possibly look exactly like a random kid he knew for a week thirty years ago?

I wonder how he might take it if Marty decided to tell him the truth for whatever reason. He is, after all, the hardcore scifi geek who bought into Darth Vader from Vulcan without question and didn't even try to pretend it was just a dream. He might just be willing to give Marty a listen and even believe him, if Marty could produce enough evidence in the form of "things only Marty Klein could possibly know."

*scans over reply* Sometimes I type too much.

By the way, upon rewatching the second movie - is it just me or is Doc's interfering in the course of the McFly family's downfall a little out of character? He obsesses so much about not messing with the future from the past that I can't quite understand how he managed to justify that one. It's one thing to wear a Kevlar vest when he's not planning to stick around in the present after he was supposed to die anyway.

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Oh, I have so much to learn about BttF lore!

Oh, indeed you have! Yes, Eric Stoltz was the original Marty McFly, as these stills (http://www.bttf.com/cgi-bin/ImageFolio3/imageFolio.cgi?direct=Eric_Stoltz_as_Marty_McFly) prove. Crispin had filmed many of his scenes with Stolz, as had many of the other actors, when Zemekis decided it wasn't working out. He felt (apparently) that Stoltz was playing Marty too seriously and petitioned to get his original choice, Michael J. Fox, for Marty. Michael had originally not been given the part because the studio execs thought Stoltz was better for the part and, of course, Michael was already filming Family Ties episodes during the day. But Stoltz was dismissed as per Zemekis' wishes and the scenes were refilmed--often at night when Michael could make it and occasionally without Michael at all.

Crispin has said in interviews that he thought Stoltz was a better actor.

Was it really as awful as I remember it, or was it just a disappointment following two good flicks that might have been okay standing on its own?

... I'm not sure. It wasn't terrible, I guess, but it wasn't all that interesting. I don't really want to rewatch it myself. :D

Said compulsiveness will not allow me to fast forward to the end, either. Dammit.

Woo, I know that feeling...

I should start writing them down.

Yes, you should. :D Please. I so want to make a little Marty/George archive site (just a little one that will never get updated, like most of the sites I make) and... you know... content is always good.

Bottom line is that I was surfing through BttF fanfiction sites and they make me want to enact backlash very badly. Possibly because I know those people blame me for the downfall of civilization. (http://www.mj-holmes.com/Editorials/fanficedit) And I can be bitter about that.

And if we came back to the McFly home in a couple of weeks, he'd remember.

*nod* Yes, yes. And the eyes playing tricks. Yes. But I always think that someday he'll just look up and it will all click together.

And then it's all a matter of what happens afterward.

I wonder how he might take it if Marty decided to tell him the truth for whatever reason.

Indeed. I have a fic that's been in production for ages that sort of hinges on that. But it's not too serious... I mean, it's mostly me trying to see whether I can actually write George/Marty sex. The explanation has been easy, the sex is hard. What can I say?

Sometimes I type too much.

I almost always type too much.

is it just me or is Doc's interfering in the course of the McFly family's downfall a little out of character?

Yeeee-eeees... but if he didn't, they would have had to think of a more plausible sequel? I'm not sure. But, yes, Doc is acting especially mad and hypocritical in the second movie.

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Crispin has said in interviews that he thought Stoltz was a better actor.


Bwahahaha! Sigh.

... I'm not sure. It wasn't terrible, I guess, but it wasn't all that interesting. I don't really want to rewatch it myself. :D


Love Interest. I'm telling you. You know they're scraping the bottom of the barrel there. Also, it's pretty funny how Clara falls for Doc, like, instantly, but Christopher Lloyd looks cadaverous practically to the point of illness through most of the flick. I guess true love really can see beyond the exteriour. Especially in the movies. [/superficial cattiness]

Said compulsiveness will not allow me to fast forward to the end, either. Dammit.

Woo, I know that feeling...



Yeah, I was so proud of myself last night when I threw caution to the wind and fast forwarded through the whole dramatic "could more shit possibly go wrong?" scene to get to the end. (By the way, what's up with all the extra stuff they threw in there? As if being at precisely the correct speed and making contact with the wire at the right microsecond with all that wind and rain buffeting the car and slicking up the street isn't difficult enough? Yeah, I know, I know, Hollywood blah, but honestly, with a little effort they could have made it just as dramatic without all that other stuff.)

Yes, you should. :D Please. I so want to make a little Marty/George archive site (just a little one that will never get updated, like most of the sites I make) and... you know... content is always good.


Yeah, there is that whole content thing. Though a couple of my drabble ideas have nothing to do with George/Marty. One has Biff thinking about why he accepts the McFlys as auto-detailing clients when he could just tell them to push off, and another has Marty noticing his new friend the Doc's obsession with time. I also want to do something with post-trilogy Marty realizing, as things settle down, that he doesn't know his own family anymore.

Bottom line is that I was surfing through BttF fanfiction sites and they make me want to enact backlash very badly. Possibly because I know those people blame me for the downfall of civilization. And I can be bitter about that.



Man, I knew what link was before I even hovered the arrow over it to check the URL. I started to read that, got as far as the part about how slashers are diseased and delusional human beings (or however she put it) and got so angry that I had to leave the site immediately. I'm still angry whenever I think about it, and I'm too angry to go in and pull out an actual quote. Somehow, I've always managed to avoid being seriously, severely flamed (how I did this when I used to post Harry Potter slash on ff.net, I still don't know), so I've never had a chance to develop any kind of immunity to shit like that. I know in theory that a lot of people in fandom really, really hate us, but seeing it in practice was quite a shock.

The explanation has been easy, the sex is hard. What can I say?

From what I've heard, that's basically the story of life in general. Not that I would know. Yet.

Yeeee-eeees... but if he didn't, they would have had to think of a more plausible sequel? I'm not sure. But, yes, Doc is acting especially mad and hypocritical in the second movie.


Thought so. I tend to overthink things a little, so I just wanted to double-check.

I have this theory that the McFlys are destined to be a line of losers anyway, and Doc's machinations only temporarily circumvent that. They'll revert back to type eventually.

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I mentioned George/Marty to a friend ("Dude, I think I'm having an idea here") and she was all, "Noooo, you're perverting childhood nostalgia!" This from a fellow slasher who has long since grown used to my bizarre pairing love. So I would imagine that that, combined with the absolute shock of incest (ohdeargodnooooooo!), is what pisses people off. Well, they're missing out on a cute pairing, so, sucks to be them. =D

Sorry, dude, I've thought about it and I have still not been able to change my mind about the squick factor of this. Not because it's the incest, particularly, but just because it's a movie I first saw when I was a kid. And when I was a kid, Derek and Ken in my Barbie and the Rockers video seemed to be a pretty solid couple, but only because Barbie is such a bad singer.

Man, you know it must be weird if I can't find slash value in something. ^___^

-goes off to do penance in the form of "forcing" herself to watch Velvet Goldmine and imagining a three-way between Brian, Curt, and Arthur-

~Anji

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Ha. Now there's some punishment.

I guess some of us are just born with the gift of being able to slash our childhood memories. In fact, sometimes I get mad that I didn't start being a slasher at, like, ten, because how fun would it have been to slash Power Rangers? (Well, maybe "get mad" is a little strong.)

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I guess some of us are just born with the gift of being able to slash our childhood memories.

Sometimes during childhood. I can remember dictating hurt/comfort stories about Jenner and Justin from The Secret of NIMH to my father when I was four or five. God only knows what that means, exactly.